[ Sam will accept the invitation to come in, thank you! He's actually dressed down for this occasion and not in Cirrus attire. He figured it would be weird to wear a suit to dinner with someone who was not also dressed up. ]
[For his part, Forte is dressed nicely, though still casual-- no suits unless he absolutely has to. It is undeniably within the fashion of the Unholy Disorder.]
Not bad. I've been finishing up my work on the songs for the art festival. I've got three to do, so I've been kinda observed in that. Aside from a little break the other day to try and get some coins for the kids.
[He tosses a water bottle at him from inside the kitchen. When he walks back, though, he's holding two cups and a bottle.]
Weaver didn't really hide his alcohol stash all that well. So guess whose it is now. ♪
[Forte's goes about pouring himself a glass.]
Anyway, it wasn't bad. I just hate participating in their shit, you know? One day everyone's getting murdered, and in the next, there's a carnival? As though it makes up for anything.
[He takes a seat across from him.]
The kids have been pretty stressed and scared, though. So I wanted to get a few coins for that family room upgrade. Might at least distract them for a bit.
He becomes more serious when he replies to the comment about the carnival, though, nodding even as he opens the water bottle to take a sip. ]
Mm... yeah, it seemed like that was exactly what was expected, too, with how the one that announced it said "a break" was "needed." I'm actually feeling like I missed a ton of important information in the five days I was gone, and not just regarding performances.
But even with that information, I'm sure nothing makes any better sense than without it. Some members of Cirrus told me to not try and think about their angle, but performances and murder don't really connect to me so easily. If there's no point to all this expect sick entertainment for them, that'sone thing. But the Showmaster doesn't seem to be framing it that way. Being murdered in her stories was one thing, but these weird social experiments between the Families by the producers... I'm really not sure what the angle is. They don't tell much of a story.
Why would the Showmaster hire them to contribute to her stage if they aren't facilitating the goal of her stage performances?
I don't know that I have anything I could fill you in on, either. I've tried talking to the Ticketmaster about things before. I think we can trust her more than the others, but even she admitted to me she's using us all for her own ends.
[He takes a sip before rubbing the back of his neck.]
Maybe it's important to get the families interacting for whatever it is the Showmaster is doing? She's said we're the actors and the audience. And these social games are kind of like performances...
If we're all interacting, it still switches up the dynamics between us all. We're still doing something. Even if I don't know what the purpose is for.
Can't they do that without murder? Compared to what I understand of the Doctor's performance, the Dame's made far more sense to have the murder parts in it.
Go up against him? She must be enhancing these producers I can't believe these people all have the ability to fight and send themselves normally when the majority of the people in the families don't.
You said he was disappointed when you cancelled each other out?
Yeah, did you hear about it at all? The performance... game. Whatever you want to call it, was Wed, Bed, Behead.
The families were split up into two groups of four. The Unholy Disorder, Siren's Melodies, Forge and Sunsign were all one group. Eonia, Cirrus, Acidia, and the Holy Order were the other group.
Each family had to pick which one they would wed, bed, or behead. And each one of those carried a punishment worse than the last. Behead meaning that you died.
[He leans back against the couch. The game seriously sucked. Who even thinks up something as twisted as that?]
. . . I tried to guess how I assumed each other family would vote in relationship to the Unholy Disorder. I knew that Forge had the least amount of connections with us, and so they were likely to send Behead our way. And I knew that Siren's would choose to protect Forge, so they would send them Wed, but probably not give us the worst option. And Sunsign... I just hoped and prayed for the best, honestly. But I thought they were unlikely to behead us due to the children.
[He runs a hand through his hair.]
I guessed right. And so did all of the other families in our group. Miraculously, by sending the same punishment to each other, we all managed to cancel them out. But that wasn't the same for the other group.
I see. So... the way to avoid that guessing game would be to get all the families together and make agreements on which family they will protect and which family they will kill. In the end, because it cancelled out it's not exactly malicious, right?
I'm sure they'll continue to throw more curveballs at us. So I don't know how well or not that would work in the future. But I suppose it's an option worth looking into.
The Doctor seemed bummed about our outcome, and even though we all 'won', we still got some strange punishments anyway. They just... weren't as violent as what happened to Acidia and the others. Ours were more like inconveniences.
They won't all work out like that, but for those that do it should prevent the worst of the situations like Acidia. The thing is I don't really know people all that well on the other families to know if they would follow what they commit to when push comes to shove because maybe someone important is playing for the Family one time versus another. But so far I haven't seen a single reason for any of us to be not working together as a whole group rather than going solo versus the other seven Families for survival gambles.
In theory, if every Family would agree to a list 1-7 of the other families so that no Family is ever ranked the same for more than one Family, there would be a very streamlined way of knowing how to prioritize things for situations like this to minimize impact to everyone involved if that's a possible outcome.
Example. For Disorder, out of the other 7 Families, Sirens are ranked number two in their list. Likewise, Disorder would be number two for the Sirens. For the other six families, Sirens and Disorder can't be ranked #2 in their lists.
If you rank it correctly, then however anyone is split up to play in the future it should follow the same priority that everyone is aware of. Even if it can't handle all the scenarios or get everyone out free of harm, if everyone agrees, it's a lot easier to know what's coming than be guessing and thinking other Families have a vendetta against another or whatnot. I firmly believe that the paranoia these situations cause is the part of the game for these producers.
But, again... it's very simple and logical. It disregards emotions and things like people panicking or having trouble calling the shots on things like this. I don't know if everyone can be trusted to follow when push comes to shove currently. We've only been together just under a month at longest, so it may not yet be the right time for people to see a reason to follow when they think they might be able to get something safer for their Family. This move guarantees equality for everyone, but not ultimate safety unless everything cancels out. I guess the only relief is if it doesn't cancel our it's mutually assured destruction for both Families involved. Neither can point the finger at the other.
Still... if we all trusted each other to want to get out of here with us all in as good condition as possible, that would make things less stressful in the moment.
It's just once strategy for one type of game that can bleed into a few others in a way, but... I think the key is the trust. Once we reach that level of trust between each other we'll be getting somewhere. Until then, the producers definitely have us at their mercy. The game has sowed concern and distrust even among those who managed to get off lightly.
I get what you're saying. It might not be able to account for every situation. But it would still be a method of trying to counter some of the shit the producers are tossing our way.
[He's quiet for a moment. Would people agree...? And what happens if and when one person breaks away from following the set conditions? He doesn't have a lot of faith in others. But messing it up here would backfire on anyone who defected.
Unless there was no way to trace it back somehow.]
I don't think it hurts to talk to the families about it. At worst, some don't agree, and we're right back where we are presently. I'll be honest- I don't trust a lot of people. I've been fucked over too many times. That doesn't mean I'm not willing to give it a try if the rest of the disorder agrees.
Personally, I agree that these games seem to WANT to pit the families against each other and create discord. But I think the only way any of us are gonna get off of this boat is if everyone works together. We all want the same thing. And rather than getting frustrated at another family, the real culprit is the Showmaster and her henchmen.
Completely agree. [ Forte doesn't know this, but Sam is Extremely Skilled at information retrievel. If anyone on the ship tried some underhanded shit and went against their agreement with other families, well... that wouldn't be able to be kept secret for long. ]
...You said the Doctor offered you a weapon to fight him? Fight him for what, exactly if you won, can I ask?
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Oh, what a surprise. Fancy seeing you here.
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[He opens the door wide to allow him inside.]
Come on in.
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[ Sam will accept the invitation to come in, thank you! He's actually dressed down for this occasion and not in Cirrus attire. He figured it would be weird to wear a suit to dinner with someone who was not also dressed up. ]
How's your day been?
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[For his part, Forte is dressed nicely, though still casual-- no suits unless he absolutely has to. It is undeniably within the fashion of the Unholy Disorder.]
Not bad. I've been finishing up my work on the songs for the art festival. I've got three to do, so I've been kinda observed in that. Aside from a little break the other day to try and get some coins for the kids.
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[ going to take a seat on the couch in the lounge area if it's okay, humming. ]
Oh yeah, the carnival? I didn't really do much there. Was it a good change of pace?
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[He's moving to the kitchen area while Sam gets comfortable on the couch.]
And yeah, it should be in the next couple of days. The carnival was... fine I guess.
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I'll make note to attend. [ a thoughtful pause at the commentary about the carnival. ] Something happen?
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[He tosses a water bottle at him from inside the kitchen. When he walks back, though, he's holding two cups and a bottle.]
Weaver didn't really hide his alcohol stash all that well. So guess whose it is now. ♪
[Forte's goes about pouring himself a glass.]
Anyway, it wasn't bad. I just hate participating in their shit, you know? One day everyone's getting murdered, and in the next, there's a carnival? As though it makes up for anything.
[He takes a seat across from him.]
The kids have been pretty stressed and scared, though. So I wanted to get a few coins for that family room upgrade. Might at least distract them for a bit.
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Sam chuckles at the comment about the alcohol.
He becomes more serious when he replies to the comment about the carnival, though, nodding even as he opens the water bottle to take a sip. ]
Mm... yeah, it seemed like that was exactly what was expected, too, with how the one that announced it said "a break" was "needed." I'm actually feeling like I missed a ton of important information in the five days I was gone, and not just regarding performances.
But even with that information, I'm sure nothing makes any better sense than without it. Some members of Cirrus told me to not try and think about their angle, but performances and murder don't really connect to me so easily. If there's no point to all this expect sick entertainment for them, that'sone thing. But the Showmaster doesn't seem to be framing it that way. Being murdered in her stories was one thing, but these weird social experiments between the Families by the producers... I'm really not sure what the angle is. They don't tell much of a story.
Why would the Showmaster hire them to contribute to her stage if they aren't facilitating the goal of her stage performances?
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[He takes a sip before rubbing the back of his neck.]
Maybe it's important to get the families interacting for whatever it is the Showmaster is doing? She's said we're the actors and the audience. And these social games are kind of like performances...
If we're all interacting, it still switches up the dynamics between us all. We're still doing something. Even if I don't know what the purpose is for.
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He had been willing to give me a weapon to go up against him with.
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You said he was disappointed when you cancelled each other out?
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The families were split up into two groups of four. The Unholy Disorder, Siren's Melodies, Forge and Sunsign were all one group. Eonia, Cirrus, Acidia, and the Holy Order were the other group.
Each family had to pick which one they would wed, bed, or behead. And each one of those carried a punishment worse than the last. Behead meaning that you died.
[He leans back against the couch. The game seriously sucked. Who even thinks up something as twisted as that?]
. . . I tried to guess how I assumed each other family would vote in relationship to the Unholy Disorder. I knew that Forge had the least amount of connections with us, and so they were likely to send Behead our way. And I knew that Siren's would choose to protect Forge, so they would send them Wed, but probably not give us the worst option. And Sunsign... I just hoped and prayed for the best, honestly. But I thought they were unlikely to behead us due to the children.
[He runs a hand through his hair.]
I guessed right. And so did all of the other families in our group. Miraculously, by sending the same punishment to each other, we all managed to cancel them out. But that wasn't the same for the other group.
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The Doctor seemed bummed about our outcome, and even though we all 'won', we still got some strange punishments anyway. They just... weren't as violent as what happened to Acidia and the others. Ours were more like inconveniences.
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In theory, if every Family would agree to a list 1-7 of the other families so that no Family is ever ranked the same for more than one Family, there would be a very streamlined way of knowing how to prioritize things for situations like this to minimize impact to everyone involved if that's a possible outcome.
Example. For Disorder, out of the other 7 Families, Sirens are ranked number two in their list. Likewise, Disorder would be number two for the Sirens. For the other six families, Sirens and Disorder can't be ranked #2 in their lists.
If you rank it correctly, then however anyone is split up to play in the future it should follow the same priority that everyone is aware of. Even if it can't handle all the scenarios or get everyone out free of harm, if everyone agrees, it's a lot easier to know what's coming than be guessing and thinking other Families have a vendetta against another or whatnot. I firmly believe that the paranoia these situations cause is the part of the game for these producers.
But, again... it's very simple and logical. It disregards emotions and things like people panicking or having trouble calling the shots on things like this. I don't know if everyone can be trusted to follow when push comes to shove currently. We've only been together just under a month at longest, so it may not yet be the right time for people to see a reason to follow when they think they might be able to get something safer for their Family. This move guarantees equality for everyone, but not ultimate safety unless everything cancels out. I guess the only relief is if it doesn't cancel our it's mutually assured destruction for both Families involved. Neither can point the finger at the other.
Still... if we all trusted each other to want to get out of here with us all in as good condition as possible, that would make things less stressful in the moment.
It's just once strategy for one type of game that can bleed into a few others in a way, but... I think the key is the trust. Once we reach that level of trust between each other we'll be getting somewhere. Until then, the producers definitely have us at their mercy. The game has sowed concern and distrust even among those who managed to get off lightly.
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[He's quiet for a moment. Would people agree...? And what happens if and when one person breaks away from following the set conditions? He doesn't have a lot of faith in others. But messing it up here would backfire on anyone who defected.
Unless there was no way to trace it back somehow.]
I don't think it hurts to talk to the families about it. At worst, some don't agree, and we're right back where we are presently. I'll be honest- I don't trust a lot of people. I've been fucked over too many times. That doesn't mean I'm not willing to give it a try if the rest of the disorder agrees.
Personally, I agree that these games seem to WANT to pit the families against each other and create discord. But I think the only way any of us are gonna get off of this boat is if everyone works together. We all want the same thing. And rather than getting frustrated at another family, the real culprit is the Showmaster and her henchmen.
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[He frowns.]
He was baiting me. The Dame, too. Said he wanted me to keep it interesting and that giving me a chance would be.
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